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Post by minniev » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:53 pm

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Formed in the 1830,s this little church survived the Civil War, and still has trenches on its grounds from the battle that took place around it.

I"ve photographed it several times, still looking for better. All ideas, critique, edits welcome.
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Post by PietFrancke » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:57 pm

the book photography is interesting.. On 3, that is one tiny building. I'm looking at the door - I'm thinking this is similar to what the one room schoolhouses must have been like. Still twenty or thirty people must have been in there at a time.

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Post by LindaShorey » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:54 pm

#1 has the most impact for me; there's the feeling of anticipation, that the congregation is due to arrive any moment, because the door is open. Love that aspect, especially with the bright outside sunshine contrasting the serene, cool, quiet interior.

I find #2 to be static and difficult to interpret as to place.

#3 is very interesting for the architecture. I like the tree's shadow very much, but not the busy details of the forest. That overpowers the tiny structure, which could be its own story, though for some reason I'm not feeling it. I very much like the bit of dirt drive you included. That small detail adds a lot to the feeling of rural.
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Post by minniev » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:08 pm

PietFrancke wrote:the book photography is interesting.. On 3, that is one tiny building. I'm looking at the door - I'm thinking this is similar to what the one room schoolhouses must have been like. Still twenty or thirty people must have been in there at a time.

Thanks for dropping in Piet. It used to have a steeple but a tornado blew it off in the early 1900s and they never replaced it. There used to be an upper gallery for the slaves. That was taken out in some remodel after emancipation. So much history lives in architecture.
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Post by minniev » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:10 pm

LindaShorey wrote:#1 has the most impact for me; there's the feeling of anticipation, that the congregation is due to arrive any moment, because the door is open. Love that aspect, especially with the bright outside sunshine contrasting the serene, cool, quiet interior.

I find #2 to be static and difficult to interpret as to place.

#3 is very interesting for the architecture. I like the tree's shadow very much, but not the busy details of the forest. That overpowers the tiny structure, which could be its own story, though for some reason I'm not feeling it. I very much like the bit of dirt drive you included. That small detail adds a lot to the feeling of rural.


Thanks for your detailed comments Linda. I left the books as I found them on the pulpit and in the pew. I think I like the pew picture better in color.

I think I'd have benefitted from a polarizer on the outside shot, to cut those reflections. I always forget something!
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Post by Psjunkie » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:19 am

Agree with most of what Linda said about 1 & 2. Tried to get the focus on the church with the edit, not sure I accomplished it....
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Post by davechinn » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:20 am

minniev wrote:church (41 of 1).jpgfungu (41 of 1)-2.jpgfungu (41 of 1)-3.jpgFormed in the 1830,s this little church survived the Civil War, and still has trenches on its grounds from the battle that took place around it.

I"ve photographed it several times, still looking for better. All ideas, critique, edits welcome.



No ideas for improvements from me Minnie, but I will give you my thoughts. I love history and your description encourages me to explore the images closer, while I'm also imagining myself in that time era.

All three are very well done, while #1 and #3 strikes my attention the most. On #1, the door open to me is an invitation, the open bible/book with the torn pages is beyond me describing but their presence makes the image so much more interesting. The left first church pew being damaged is an indication of age and use. Converting to B&W was the only way to go with these as it relates more to the time era. This reminds me, as a child, of a place I did not want to be, but now know I should. You have shown just enough of the kitchen sink to keep interest and the imagination to run wild, I'm wanting to hear the whispers of the past. Oh, the stories that could be heard. If you have ever seen the movie, "The Patriot" with Mel Gibson, you'll get an idea of my thoughts.

The last one shows possibly, what the population of the times were by the size of the church. I love the angle in which you took this. Usually old churches such as this have a graveyard nearby. Did you happen to see one while you were there? Thanks for sharing this, Minnie !!!
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Post by Charles Haacker » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:47 pm

I like all three very much, and I agree with Dave Chinn that all should be B&W, not color. For me it's a period thing. The first one immediately put me in mind of a quote by St. Ignatius Loyola: “Go forth and set the world on fire.” (I know these folks were Presbyterians but still...) I wondered briefly if the bible should be brightened but thought better of it. The eye is led directly from the Good Book to the bright light outside, but not so bright that there is not some detail, exactly as it would look to the eye. The hymnal open on the pew works much the same way, lit by the window but not bright enough to prevent one from glancing up at the trees outside, with just enough detail held to see what they are while still focused on the book. The exterior is a solid architectural. Personally I am not a bit bothered by the reflections and would not have paid them any mind had you not mentioned them and Frank knocked them down. I'm torn, liking both versions. I never go anywhere without a polarizer, that I hardly ever use! :D I would not have in this case.
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Post by minniev » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:58 pm

Psjunkie wrote:Agree with most of what Linda said about 1 & 2. Tried to get the focus on the church with the edit, not sure I accomplished it....

Thanks, Frank. You beat back the reflectivity in the foliage quite well, and you're right that it lets the church take precedence. Nice edit.
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Post by minniev » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:08 pm

davechinn wrote:
minniev wrote:church (41 of 1).jpgfungu (41 of 1)-2.jpgfungu (41 of 1)-3.jpgFormed in the 1830,s this little church survived the Civil War, and still has trenches on its grounds from the battle that took place around it.

I"ve photographed it several times, still looking for better. All ideas, critique, edits welcome.



No ideas for improvements from me Minnie, but I will give you my thoughts. I love history and your description encourages me to explore the images closer, while I'm also imagining myself in that time era.

All three are very well done, while #1 and #3 strikes my attention the most. On #1, the door open to me is an invitation, the open bible/book with the torn pages is beyond me describing but their presence makes the image so much more interesting. The left first church pew being damaged is an indication of age and use. Converting to B&W was the only way to go with these as it relates more to the time era. This reminds me, as a child, of a place I did not want to be, but now know I should. You have shown just enough of the kitchen sink to keep interest and the imagination to run wild, I'm wanting to hear the whispers of the past. Oh, the stories that could be heard. If you have ever seen the movie, "The Patriot" with Mel Gibson, you'll get an idea of my thoughts.

The last one shows possibly, what the population of the times were by the size of the church. I love the angle in which you took this. Usually old churches such as this have a graveyard nearby. Did you happen to see one while you were there? Thanks for sharing this, Minnie !!!
Dave


Thank you Dave, for the detailed comments and High Quality Conversation which you know I enjoy. To capture the essence of an old place is always my goal when I'm there. That's why I always add a little of the history, if I know it, when I post them, because to me the pictures should connect the viewer to the history. Historical pictures are stories put to image, adding up to more than the sum of the parts of composition, leading line, focus, editing, whatever. Yes, I saw that movie, and those kinds of stories resonate with me. The stories of the Port Gibson campaign are not as well documented as Vicksburg, though there was considerable actual combat here (Vicksburg ended up being more of a siege than a battle). The tiny museum at Grand Gulf battlefield has a huge collection of letters written by soldiers and families of both armies and I could spend days reading that stuff.

I've shot images here before, but this is the first time I've found a Bible on the pulpit (worn and tattered, this one) though there are always hymnals in the pews. It is never locked. It always looks like the people perhaps just left a little while ago.
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