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Re: Castle Creation, Help Needed

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minniev wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:36 pm
PietFrancke wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:19 pm
I can't leave this topic alone... it speaks to me about what we do and why we do it. One thing Duck mentioned was that it is difficult to blend a painting component and a photographic component. So on a lark I ran the thing through Topaz Impression (I think I used photo painting) with the goal of making the photographic elements appear more painterly and for that reason, hopefully the figures would feel more at home.

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I had wondered about running the whole thing through an art filter and working with masks again.. The incorporation of art objects with photographic objects is at the core of what I’m trying to create so it’s essential to me for sure! Thank you for hanging in there with me. I can pile the original stuff in a Dropbox if you get interested enough. Or ty a similar thing with your own elements including at least one photo and at least one art object. It’s the same as I did in the nudie tree image and the dam bird folly. Thank you so much for trying to help me figure this out.
I don't think the filter came out too good, kind of looks like something wrapped in that stretchy plastic stuff. I was just hopeful I wasn't irritating the heck out of you by not dropping it.

For sure, to look like something belongs, it needs the same characteristics, be it lighting, contrast, perspective, level of detail, etc. Unless it is a pure graphic like print or shapes or texture. So to go with Duck's comments about doing the proper homework before things get brought together, I need to find a bird I like, photograph a hand with the same lighting, and pose the hand in a position that would work as the bird's perch.
Though I'm sure with a lot of work, dissimilar things can be brought together, but then they have to somehow be made similar. Birds in the air are easier than people on the ground.

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Post by minniev »

PietFrancke wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:01 am
minniev wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:36 pm
PietFrancke wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:19 pm
I can't leave this topic alone... it speaks to me about what we do and why we do it. One thing Duck mentioned was that it is difficult to blend a painting component and a photographic component. So on a lark I ran the thing through Topaz Impression (I think I used photo painting) with the goal of making the photographic elements appear more painterly and for that reason, hopefully the figures would feel more at home.

min5.jpg
I had wondered about running the whole thing through an art filter and working with masks again.. The incorporation of art objects with photographic objects is at the core of what I’m trying to create so it’s essential to me for sure! Thank you for hanging in there with me. I can pile the original stuff in a Dropbox if you get interested enough. Or ty a similar thing with your own elements including at least one photo and at least one art object. It’s the same as I did in the nudie tree image and the dam bird folly. Thank you so much for trying to help me figure this out.
I don't think the filter came out too good, kind of looks like something wrapped in that stretchy plastic stuff. I was just hopeful I wasn't irritating the heck out of you by not dropping it.

For sure, to look like something belongs, it needs the same characteristics, be it lighting, contrast, perspective, level of detail, etc. Unless it is a pure graphic like print or shapes or texture. So to go with Duck's comments about doing the proper homework before things get brought together, I need to find a bird I like, photograph a hand with the same lighting, and pose the hand in a position that would work as the bird's perch.
Though I'm sure with a lot of work, dissimilar things can be brought together, but then they have to somehow be made similar. Birds in the air are easier than people on the ground.
Keep sharing your discoveries and I’ll do the same. Tomorrow I’ll tinker again.
"God gave me photography so that I could pray with my eyes" - Dewitt Jones

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This is the last I'm gonna do with it before I start over with it and maybe swap out some elements. Sometimes even with layers and masks and everything labeled, you get to the point that you need a do-over. I'm at that point.

Here's the final rendition of this version.
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Post by Psjunkie »

It appears you fixed the spot by the bird and used some color around the edges of the window gal and other figure

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Psjunkie wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:42 pm
It appears you fixed the spot by the bird and used some color around the edges of the window gal and other figure
Got rid of the crazy spot, added some color and shadow, and took some out.
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Post by St3v3Murray »

minniev wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:39 pm
I undertook this one as practice in my ongoing largely failed quest to integrate extractions of painted/drawn art into photographs. Tell me how it might work better.

Options:
Run the photo through more paint type filters before starting to simplify it
Wait and run the whole concoction through paint filters once it's together
Alter lighting more, either as a whole or with the individual pieces or both
Better shadow work
Give up
I feel like you're trying to add painted/drawn are into your photographs while at the same time forgetting how a real image looks. It's like you know how to take pictures of the boys, and you know how to composite, but as soon as you come across something painted/drawn you forget how it would relate to the overall image. Treat it as if it were real, one of the boys, and place it with the same attention and detail. S-
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